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Five Bodies Found in Arizona Desert; Dangers of 'Bath Salts'; Gender-Based Abortions
Aired June 2, 2012 - 22:00 ET
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DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Don Lemon.
The stories you are talking about in just a little bit. First, want to get you caught up on the stories developing right now.
First up, five bodies found in the Arizona desert. It could be a sign of the intense drug violence in Mexico that is crossing the border. Deputies say the victims were in a still smoldering SUV when they were found. It all started before dawn when a border patrol agent tried to approach a vehicle on the side of the road and it sped off. When the sun rose, agents found tracks and followed them for two miles, finding the Ford excursion in Vekol county desert there, in the desert there.
I spoke with Pinal county sheriff Paul Babeu who says the area is a hot bed of drug trafficking. Listen to this.
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PAUL BABEU, PINAL COUNTY SHERIFF: It's very likely. We're not jumping to conclusions at this point, because we have to deal with fact, the bodies, five of which will be sent to the medical examiner. It's likely either the people were killed, brought to the scene and the vehicle torched or the people were brought there, killed and then the vehicle torched, or they were burnt in the vehicle alive.
Now, there was a clue is nobody was in the driver's seat, no one was in the front passenger. One person in the second row and four bodies were laying down flat in the cargo area.
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LEMON: The sheriff says last year his deputies were involved in 350 high-speed chases in the same rural area.
Now to the other stories we have for you on CNN Saturday night, where most shows dare not go.
LEMON (voice-over): From disoriented and paranoid --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where are you? I don't know.
LEMON: To cannibalism.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, the guy just kept eating the other guy away like ripping his skin.
LEMON: Even super human strength.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have seen a (INAUDIBLE).
LEMON: Tonight, concern, a legal drug could be to blame. I talked to one man who OD'd.
And made to order babies, from eye color to gender.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can't we agree that it's wrong to kill little baby girls simply because they're little girls instead of little boys?
LEMON: Are gender based abortions a real problem in the U.S.? We asked the man behind the bill.
GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If anything happens, there's your man.
LEMON: Find out why George W. is back in the White House, for good.
LEMON: We're going to begin with a warning. What you're about to see and hear is gruesome. But I caution you against changing the channel. If you don't hear this, there's a chance someone you know or love could die.
Here's why. In Miami, just this week, police say a man chews out the eyes, nose and mouth of another man, eating off 75 percent of the victim's face.
Now, we go to Harford County, Maryland. That's where another man is accused of killing a friend and eating part of his heart and brain.
Next in New Jersey, a suspect there, stabs himself repeatedly and hurls his intestines at police.
And in Canada, another man kills his lover, tosses some of the body parts in the garbage and mails others.
In at least two of these gruesome crimes, investigators believe the suspects were driven to cannibalism or dismemberment by a drug, legal drug in a dozen states. The similarities in these cases -- incredibly odd behavior and possibly a link to bath salts.
Alex Manning is here.
Alex, you're a former detective for the Georgia bureau of investigation. I want you to hear me what an E.R. doctor told me about these bath salts. His name is Doctor Paul Adams. And he just happens to work in the emergency room where the victim in Miami was taken. Take a listen.
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DOCTOR PAUL ADAMS, EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN: This is a terrible drug, because it takes the combination of methamphetamine and the paranoia and the aggressiveness and LDS, the hallucinations and PCP, the extreme paranoia that you get combines it into one and has unpredictable effects on human behavior.
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LEMON: Alex, the most basic of questions here. Why on earth are these things legal and sold over the counter in some states?
ALEX MANNING, FORMER DETECTIVE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: People are skating around the law with these synthetic drugs, when the law is written and take care of one chemical, they'll tweak it and make a different chemical. And you know, when we were children, we were exposed our neighborhood tricks and idiots.
MANNING: People now are exposed to tricks and idiots all around the world on you tube. Our legislature needs to go on you tube and found out how to keep on what's going on today. People are making this stuff out of household products, stuff that's in their kitchen.
LEMON: And it's showing you on the internet how to make it and you can order it on the internet. Strangely enough, these things are legal in 11 states, 39 states are sampling in the books that ban the chemicals on those states. Those states that are here, you can put it up there in yellow. You can have it. The states in red, 11 of them do not ban them. And Dr. Adams told me he's only seeing the cases increase. Listen.
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ADAMS: About two years ago, there were 300 reported cases, last year 6,000, and this year 1,000 reported cases. So it's on the rise.
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LEMON: Interesting. So Alex, cases are on the rise. How do police, especially in those states, how do they get a-hold of this problem? What can they do?
MANNING: Some of them right now, especially some of the local agents are actually doing stings where they're sending children in, 18, 19, to buy alcohol in underage and they are going into the convenience stores and asking for it and the convenience owners are having it, what they are getting it shift in. And since, telling it to them over the counter.
LEMON: I want you to look at this, because we have video of a man who was high on bath salts as paramedics arrived. His name is Freddie Sharp. He's strapped to a gurney and he's really in another world. Look at him. We're going to hear from Freddie about this particular moment in just a little bit here on CNN.
But Alex, this drug can make people feel invincible like they have super human's strength. Officers don't always know what they're going up against. I heard the doctor say to me earlier, he said listen, it took a number of men to restrain like a 150-pound kid who had OD'd on this stuff.
MANNING: Right. We are used to people with meth, crack, where it takes a couple of officers. But now with this drug out there, it's taking five or six grown men.
LEMON: Are they prepared for this?
MANNING: Absolutely not.
LEMON: You don't think so.
MANNING: Absolutely not. It's PCP on crack.
LEMON: Listen to this and we'll talk more.
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ADAMS: Drugs to be illegal have to have a chemical name and a chemical structure and law enforcement and laws are just lagging a little behind.
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LEMON: Lagging a little bit behind. Basically, he's saying what you're saying.
MANNING: Absolutely. As soon as you make the synthetic marijuana. Right now the crime lab is coming back where they altered the chemical in the synthetic marijuana where right now, based on the chemical that is in the statute that makes it illegal. What you are showing up now is not illegal.
LEMON: It's a lot of kids too. There are a lot of kids who are doing this. What do you say -- how do parents know, do they even know?
MANNING: I don't think they do. You tube, something needs to be done with you tube. They really do because these kids are getting online. They are watching people around the world and they're trying this stuff.
Hey Alex, thank you very much. It's a good lesson for parents and for everyone to know. Because you hear "bath salts," you have become desensitized because you think this is something that is not going to harm you. But it is definitely harmful. Thank you, Alex.
MANNING: Sure. Thank you, Don.
LEMON: We appreciate it.
OK. Knowing those risks, is that next high worth it? I'm going to ask someone who knows. My next guest OD'd on bath salts. He says just one sniff of that drug ruined his life.
LEMON: I want you to take a look at this. This really is his brain on drugs. You remember that old commercial. That's Freddie Sharp and he has to be restrained by paramedics because he is high on bath salts. As a matter of fact, he was OD'ing there. Freddie's story is one of thousands about people chasing that next high.
In the last week alone, a couple of cannibalism and self- mutilation cases could be linked to bath salts. Freddie's story is not unique as a former user. It is unique because he's a survivor.
How do you describe your experience? Because we see the video of you and it looks like you're having these wild hallucinations and you're talking out of your head. What was going on in that video, what was happening to you?
FREDDIE SHARP, BATH SALTS SURVIVOR: It was a very scary thing, actually. Whenever there is on, that was going on, I was overdosing and I never experienced anything like that. Doing the bath salts or anything like that before. And it really actually scared me pretty bad, because I was hallucinating about being in a mental institution and the sides is on basically, and something about Jason born getting possessed by him. I felt I bit fell all kinds of crazy.
LEMON: I want you to tell people what was going on in your body, in your mind, in your head as we were looking at this. What was happening to you?
SHARP: Darkness. Every time I feel (INAUDIBLE) doom and gloom was coming down on me, and I was possessed. And I couldn't stop whatever was in me from continuing further and I felt like I was about to bust loose and hurt somebody. That's why I was wrapped up the way I was wrapped up in the fetal position and trying to keep my hands behind me. I felt like something was going to happen and I was going to bust loose and it was going to be a bad situation and I never felt something like that before and fear like that. And it was one of the most horrible experiences in my life. I don't know why I did it. It happened. It's behind me now and I'm trying to move on from it.
LEMON: You describe this as, you said, it was like hell on the inside or the devil. How did you describe it?
SHARP: It felt so evil. It felt like the most darkest, evilest thing that is imaginable. I mean, I was going through something so severe, and it was so dark and scary and everything. It was unimaginable to me. And that's why I couldn't grasp or put my head around it and grasp it.
And I was trying to calm myself down, trying to think about other things and trying to basically keep myself under control. Because I felt like if I lost that control, that anything could happen.
LEMON: How old are you now, 27?
SHARP: Yes, I'm 27.
LEMON: Twenty seven and you've been using for how long?
SHARP: Bath salts?
LEMON: Well, how are you been -- you said you've been using drugs.
SHARP: Yes. I've been -- I've been an addict since I was basically 13, 14 years old.
LEMON: So kids start young using these drugs. How are you doing now? Do you still use bath salts?
SHARP: No, I do not. I do not use bath salts and haven't use bath salts in months.
LEMON: Do you know people who use -- who still use them and if so, what do you tell them?
SHARP: I mean, there are people, I'm sure that are out there still using them and everything. The only thing I can say to them is if you value your life, you will stop it. And you won't do it anymore because it will destroy your life and it will destroy your family. It will destroy everything.
LEMON: When you see these things that pop up in the news, like people who are dismembers people, taking their body parts out, people who are stabbing themselves, people who are eating people's flesh and faces and doctors and investigators believe that these bath salts contributed to that, do you think it can make people do that? Does it give you that sort of crazy super human strength and make you do things like that?
SHARP: Actually, the super human strength thing, yes. Because you feel like you're bullet proof and you actually do not feel any pain. I actually did not feel any pain personally. And for me, I didn't want to eat anybody's flesh or do anything real crazy like that. I just got paranoid of it.
LEMON: As someone who has used drugs, this particular drug, how did it feel, this overdose, was it the worst thing that ever happened to you?
SHARP: It was one of the worst things that had ever happened to me. It was the number one thing worst thing that ever happened to me. It didn't amount to, you know, anything else that I had done. I mean, it was so hard coming off of it. And I'm so glad I did it and I had the power to do it.
LEMON: What do you mean it was so hard coming of it? Talk to me more about that.
SHARP: Well, the effects of it and everything, just the wanting it, the urge to want it and it felt like I had to have it, because if I don't, then I'm going to be sick and be so lazy and I won't have energy to do anything, and just those basic thoughts right there, and just the withdrawals off of it itself. I mean, when it comes out of you, you can smell it in your hair and everything. It's so nasty.
LEMON: What does it smell like?
SHARP: I just smelt like that. It smelt like unclean, nasty, un-kept like chemical type smell.
LEMON: How long have you been clean now, Freddie?
SHARP: I've been clean from bath salts and stuff for, let's see -- God, how long has it been? I would say a good four months.
SHARP: From bath salts.
LEMON: Well, Freddie, good luck to you. Thank you for coming on. OK?
SHARP: I just want to say thank you also.
LEMON: That was Freddie. He wanted to thank the people who involved in his life who helped get him clean.
Freddie Sharp, good luck.
For those of you out there, if you're thinking of trying this, there's a lesson, don't. There's always help to people suffering through drug abuse, numbers for uses and their families to call and Web sites that offer a lot of information and ways to get help. Drugabuse.gov is just one of them.
LEMON: So you hear about it in China or India, but is it really a problem here in the United States? I'm talking about women choosing to end their pregnancies based on whether the baby is a boy or a girl.
Yesterday on Capitol Hill, a bill before the house sought to ban abortions based only on the unborn baby's gender. More often than not, girls rejected by parents who prefer baby boys. The bill, it made into law, would have punished doctors, fined abortion clinics and even thrown abortion providers in prison. The bill need a 2/3 vote in the house, it failed. But I talked with the congressman who sponsored it. His name is Trent Franks. He is a Republican from Arizona. His work to push through this bill has been criticized as an election year distraction.
REP. TRENT FRANKS (R), ARIZONA: But from my perspective, this discussion goes to the heart of who we are as Americans. You know, the whole founding principle of our country is that we held certain truths to be self-evident and the most transcended of those troops is the worth and value of innocent human life. And that's why we have an economy, that's why we have a military apparatus, that's why we have social policy, that's why we have government is really to - is to protect those who can't defend their own rights at times. Otherwise, we just fall into anarchy.
So, I know that we've, as a people and even as a government certainly have gotten so tangled up in the election politics that sometimes the issues get lost, but I truly believe that the most important thing we can do as Americans is to remind ourselves that the protection of the innocent and the protection of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is really the foundational purpose of government and it's the foundational concept of America.
LEMON: Congressman, I want you to listen to Congresswoman Barbara Lee.
REP. BARBARA LEE (D), CALIFORNIA: Of course we're all opposed to sex selection based on gender. That's not what this is about. This is about women's health care and gender discrimination. This is a continuation of the war on women. And if this bill passes, it would forever change, forever change, the doctor/patient relationship as we know it.
LEMON: And I also want to play -- here's what the number two democrat had to say about this, Denny Hoyer had to say this, "nobody that I've never talked to is for abortions for the purposes of gender selection period. I think it's come up because somebody decided politically it was a difficult place to put people in."
Which is -- which really goes to my first question, because they're say thing is sort of setting up a strong man of forcing Democrats to vote against problem that doesn't exist. And it is back door way of restricting abortion. What do you say to that?
FRANKS: Well, the truth is, there is a war on women as it were, but it's a war on unborn women in this world. Really, between 100 and 200 million missing little baby girls is a reality because of sex selection abortion.
LEMON: Now, I understand that. I understand that. But it doesn't appear to be a problem in the United States. That's the issue.
FRANKS: It is a growing problem in the United States. You know, in China "it's a girl" are the most dangerous words in China. And I don't want that to happen here. Thousands of little girls in America have been dismembered simply because they're little girls. And that's the truth. That's the university of Berkeley studies, University of Connecticut studies. These are not right wing conspiracy organizations. They are not even my alma-matters.
So, the truth is, there is clearly a problem that is coming in America more and more. And I think that if people really are suggesting that they're against sex selection abortion, why are we the only advanced nice in the world that doesn't have laws restricting it?
LEMON: Republican Congressman Trent Franks. He sponsored the bill that would have outlawed the so-called gender specific abortions nationwide. Four states have laws banning them including Franks' home state of Arizona.
Now this --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, go, go!
LEMON: They swarm like pesky gnats, surrounding the rich and famous. Now stars like Justin Bieber are fighting back, literally. How far is too far to get the money shot?
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LEMON: We've all done it, we flipped through the magazines, click on the pictures online, images shot by the Paparazzi of the celebrities we love to watch, Britney, Lindsey, J-Lo and Kim were all guilty of being a little obsessed with seeing them in those less than flattering poses and situations.
But how far should be celebs be able to go to protect their privacy? And how far should paparazzi be able to go to get that shot?
Just this week, teen heart-rob Justin Bieber got into a scuffle with the paparazzi, getting into a physical altercation and forcing deputies to investigate. And what about the celebrities themselves, is it their personal space?
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JADA PINKETT SMITH, ACTRESS: I think people have to understand just because we're public figures that you have to cross a line - you can't cross a line of infringing on someone's personal space. You know, and people have to be very careful with that.
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LEMON: Jennifer, you are a former paparazzi and a celebrity photographer. You called the relationship between the paparazzi and Hollywood's of the symbiotic, a symbiotic relationship. Why do you say that?
JENNIFER BUHL, FORMER PAPARAZZI: Well, the celebrities need us. The celebrities want us. Sometimes we become oppressive. There's no question about that. But more or less, we are two symbiotic beings that both use each other.
LEMON: They will -- when you were paparazzi, they would call you and say I'm going to be at this place, they would tell you, right?
BUHL: Well, I never actually got called by a celebrity, but, you know, a lot of the celebrities -- well, a lot of them like Britney and Lindsey and Kim Kardashian and some of those kinds of celebrities have direct telephone relationships with paparazzi.
But, you know, also the agents work through us. They call the magazines. They say we're going to be here at such and such, so. Yes, not all of them, you know, not all of them -- Halle Barry are not calling us. Justin Bieber is not calling us, but a lot of them do.
LEMON: Yes. If you make your living as for being famous, this is for being famous, and you need to be famous, right? That's why that is how it goes?
BUHL: Yes. I remember Katherine Heigl, excuse me.
LEMON: No, go ahead.
BUHL: I was just going to say, I remember Katherine Heigl. He is one of my favorite celebrities, told me one time when I thanked her for being so generous with her letting me photograph her, and she looked at me and she's like, thank you, you. I've she's like I have been working towards this for the last 15 years and, you know, I appreciate it.
And she, you know, not to say that it doesn't get oppressive for her, it does. But she understands, you know, the relationship and that hey, you know, in order for them to be famous, they need to be photographed.
LEMON: You have to have - to have the pictures in the magazines. So, we asked actor, Chris Rock, Jennifer, about how he feels about the paparazzi. Here he is.
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CHRIS ROCK, ACTOR: It should be against the law for anybody to take pictures of another person's children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Regardless.
ROCK: Regardless of celebrity or not. I shouldn't be allowed to like take a picture of your kids.
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LEMON: Jennifer, is there an ethical line that you wouldn't cross when it comes to celebrity's children?
BUHL: Well, you know what's interesting in the U.K., which is a much stronger tabloid celebrity market, is they do not allow photographs of children to be shown in the magazines, so they blur the picture. You can take the picture, but they don't show them.
The thing is, with babies on the arms of celebrities, those pictures sell like that. People want to see it. So we're taking pictures of what people want to see. I think what is different is when we are photographing someone with their child, for the most part, and from everything I've experienced, the paparazzi try to keep a distance and try to be as respectful as possible. So, it's mostly using long lenses. And not getting in someone's faces.
LEMON: Let me ask you, all I had to do was do a little sweep through the newsroom here and you could see or the building and we found all these magazines. This is just within a couple of minutes.
So again, you are right. And so, if there is a symbiotic relationship, if they need you as much as you need them, right? Do celebrities have the right to protect their privacy in any way that they can or is it just part of being a celeb?
BUHL: Absolutely they can protect their privacy. They're huge celebrities. Jennifer Aniston, Brangelina, Tom Cruise, Renee Zellweger, George Clooney, you almost never see them in the magazines and the reason is, because we are not very hard to avoid. If you do not want to be photographed, it does not take long to teach the paparazzi they're not going to get any shots.
BUHL: So whenever, you know, you're sitting outside Halle Barry's house, you're sitting outside there because usually you're going to get a shot of her as you leave. But Jennifer Aniston's house, you go by her house, there is never a paparazzi sitting out there because they know if she leaves, she's not going to go anywhere that she can be photographed. And if she does, she's going to put a book or an umbrella or her hand in front of her face and you are not going to get a shot. You don't see pictures like that in a magazine. So, we're not that hard to avoid.
LEMON: Jennifer, thank you. We appreciate it.
BUHL: Thank you, Don.
LEMON: Hollywood's most famous versus the men and women who track their every single move. But are the paparazzi safe under the law and where do you draw the line?
More of your stories that you're talking about in a moment.
But first, I want to tell you about this. Five bodies found in the Arizona desert and it may be a sign the drug cartel violence is crossing over from Mexico. The Pinal County sheriff says the SUV was still smoldering when deputies found the bodies. The sheriff says that it started when a border patrol agent tried to approach a vehicle in a Vekel Valley Desert before dawn today.
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BABEU: The border patrol agent turned around to make contact, because it's a known drug and human smuggling corridor and the vehicle fled at a high rate speed. We could not find the vehicle, so we believed it went off the road into the desert.
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LEMON: When daybreak came, the agents spotted the tracks and came across the car with the bodies inside of it. One person is dead. Seven more were injured tonight in the shooting at a Toronto shopping mall. Two of the victims are in critical condition right now, including a 13-year-old boy. A pregnant woman suffered minor injuries when she was knocked to the ground shoppers rushing for the exit. Gunman, still missing right now.
Wisconsin Republican Governor Scott Walker is in the political fight of his life. He is trying to save his job in Tuesday's recall election against Milwaukee mayor Tom Barrett, the man he defeated in 2010. Democrats and union members forced the recall after Walker ended collective bargaining by public employees.
Want to know what life is really like on the campaign trail? Well, this Tuesday, make sure you join CNN, the election round table with Wolf Blitzer and the rest of the political team. Submit your questions and get answers in real time. Go to CNN.com/roundtable. That's Tuesday, noon eastern.
LEMON: All right. We are talking. We're back, and we're talking celebrities versus the paparazzi and how far each sides is willing to go.
Comedian, also, attorney, his name is Dean Obeidallah. He's becoming a regular here. Get used to it, Dean.
DEAN OBEIDALLAH, POLITICAL COMEDIAN: Thanks, Don. I don't want to.
LEMON: You're an attorney and you wrote about this for CNN.com. And there she is. A trial attorney Karen Conti.
Thanks to both of you. Good seeing you.
Dean, is this more a case of celebrities being stalked rather than just photographed?
OBEIDALLAH: In this case, in Justin Bieber being beaten up by the photographer, which my question is, why would you admit to getting beaten up by Justin Bieber? That's a secret, you take it to your grave, I think.
But, I mean, it's beyond that. And you just had the paparazzi on saying well Jennifer Aniston knows how to hide. What kind of life are we sentencing our celebrities too? Because they are good actor, musician, they have to live a life with no privacy whatsoever for themselves or their children.
So, I think it is the worse part, frankly. That's why I wrote the article trying to proposing a change in the copy right laws.
LEMON: Dean, let's see Dean's camera again. Do they have to put pantyhose over the lens for you or something? What's going on?
OBEIDALLAH: Why? I wasn't just on vacation like you during your margarita, so I look tired.
LEMON: Yes. Yes. So, anyway, that to put soft gel to your ear.
OBEIDALLAH: Thanks you.
LEMON: OK, listen, in 1998, the state of California passed an anti-paparazzi act that held photographers libel for invasion of privacy. But apparently, that wasn't enough because in 2005, California's celebrity governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, signed into law an anti-paparazzi law that expanded the earlier law. Karen, are these laws working?
KAREN CONTI, TRIAL ATTORNEY, CRIMINAL AND LITIGATION: Well, we really don't need them. They're great in name and I think that Arnold Schwarzenegger probably made some points in Hollywood bypassing them.
But we have stalking laws. You can't harass and intimidate. You can't trespass on somebody's property. You can't batter or assault somebody. And you can't use their likeness for commercial gain. So there are all kinds of laws already here on the books that protect celebrities from these things. Is it obnoxious? It is. But we have the first amendment that protects the media in these circumstances.
LEMON: So, you know Dean, we spoke to Jennifer, the former paparazzi. And you mentioned her. She calls the relationship between celebrities and paparazzi. She said a symbiotic relationship.
I mean, what do you make that they do need each other, so if you get to a point where the paparazzi is chasing you, haven't you really arrived and should you complain about it?
OBEIDALLAH: I think that's for each person to decide. And that's why I think that why paparazzo should be able to profit from photos of celebrities because the profit is because the photo is of a celebrity, not a framing of the use of lightning.
I think celebrities should have to be able to consent to sell this photo and make a profit of the celebrity. And 95 percent of the time, maybe 98 percent of time, the celebrity will agree, because there is a symbiotic relationship. But there are times they're not going to. Why should they be able to profit of a celebrity who has worked hard to become famous and now has to suffer these consequences, which are unfair?
LEMON: All right. Ben Stiller's take on the paparazzi, listen.
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BEN STILLER, ACTOR: And they know that they are legally they're allowed to be there, and they just seem to sometimes like to create and they are looking sometimes to get you upset so that you will, you know, do something so they can create an incident. And it is frustrating. But for people that have to live with it every day, it can really, I think, it can affect your life.
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LEMON: So Karen, paparazzi can legally be around celebrities in public places, and you saw the incident with Justin Bieber and with Halle Barry. So how far should celebrities be able to go to protect their own privacy?
CONTI: I think, you know, I don't agree with Dean. I don't think that the rules should be higher for celebrities. You know, people expose themselves and make money based upon their celebrity and the fact that their pictures are in the paper. And the average personal, their picture can be taken and put in the newspaper. I don't think we should make different rule.
We have rules in place. You can't -- Justin Bieber, in that situation, there was a false imprisonment. He couldn't move his car. That was wrong. He has action against the media in this case. You know, he shouldn't have hurt somebody, if that's what happened. We don't know.
But, you know, there are rules in place here and I think the media know where the limits are and sometimes they overstep them because it's worth it to get that shot. They have legal defense funds and it's worth it for them to do it.
LEMON: Did she, Dean, just lump us with the paparazzi, she said the media. Can you believe that?
OBEIDALLAH: That is exactly. It's not news worthy and there is a difference in the standard of proof for celebrities versus private citizens in defamation lawsuits. So, we are already making a distinction our law between the two. So you can't have it even here.
LEMON: OK. So listen, Dean, I know the answer to this for you to this next question. Here is a question for you. Is the economy ruining your sex life? If your answer was, what sex life, Dean, then you need to hear the next segment.
LEMON: In the movies, it is a familiar story line, super heroes joining forces to tackle a world crisis.
This week we're catching up with three of our CNN heroes who are teaming up to help AIDS orphans in the African nation of Malawi.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST (voice-over): Marie de Silva was a nanny in the U.S. when she started a school for AIDS orphans in her native Malawi. Honored as a top ten CNN hero in 2008, she is now joined forces with two other honorees.
Magnus MacFarlane-Barrow was recognized in 2010 for his work feeding schoolchildren around the globe.
MARIE DE SILVA, TOP TEN CNN HERO, 2008: He has an organization in Malawi. So, I just asked him to consider us.
Magnus MacFarlane-Barrow, TOP TEN CNN HERO, 2010: I was very struck by her. I felt we were people who could work together.
COOPER: Today, Magnus' organization, Mary's meals, provides free portage daily to all 400 of Marie's student.
MACFARLANE-BARROW: Am I giving them too much?
DE SILVA: His support means they will always have something to eat. He is a saint to me. COOPER: 2010 honoree, Evans Wadongo make silver lanterns for rural African communities. Evans visited Marie's school and recently, his team taught students to build their own lamps.
DE SILVA: For the family, it cuts the cost and to the children, it's helping them to study. Evans really motivated our kids to be inventors, to come up with their own little model.
COOPER: Now Marie's students plan lamps to their community.
With creativity and compassion, these CNN heroes are helping each other to change even more lives.
DE SILVA: CNN heroes coming together to work together. It's a family. How sweet is that?
LEMON: Right now, a lot of you may be thinking about sex. I mean, it is, you know, that time of the night, at least here in the east. But here's what we wanted to ask. Can a bad economy mess with your sex life? I have two people just dying to weigh in on this.
But first, I want you to listen what psychologist Wendy Walsh had to say.
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LEMON: So, men are just cheaters so when the economy is down and they don't have a job, they just want to have random, as they say. Strikes some strange. WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, that could be single men also pursuing uncommitted sex, rather than expensive kid of committed marital sex because I don't know if you know, Don, but for some men, trying to procure sex, costs some money. You know, there are dinners and nice cars and that kind of thing.
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LEMON: She made me blush. I said it earlier on this turning rats. I really think it is strange. I can't believe I said strange.
Dean is back, political strategist Anna Navarro is here.
All right Dean, because basically she said men just can't keep it in their pants. Do you think the economy factors what happens in the bedroom?
OBEIDALLAH: Not in my bedroom, Don. I want to be honest with you. Mine is still has an impressive as ever or as boring as ever. I think there is an effect though, to be honest. But some people feel, you know, do you feel less than good about yourself because of economic problems? You may not feel sexy or attractive?
This is my advice. Try to use some role playing involving the financial situation. One of you plays a bill collector, and one someone who can't pay and you go hey, what can I do to pay this bill and maybe you bring in a little action. It is a little tip for people at home, Don.
LEMON: Ding dong, delivery.
LEMON: Ana, you're a Republican strategist and right now this is a tough economy. So, can people blame their bad sex lives on the Obama administration?
ANA NAVARRO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Absolutely, positively. There is a direct connection between bad sex and no sex to Barack Obama. If you're having bad sex, it's Barack Obama's fault. If you're having no sex, it's Barack Obama's fault. If your hair is falling out, it is Barack Obama's fault. If the bed is too hard, it's Barack Obama's fault. Absolutely, I mean, there is no question.
LEMON: But you know what the Obama administration would say, if you're having a bad sex life because of the economy, blame Bush.
NAVARRO: Well, you know something? It's been four years. You can now blame Bush's portrait which is hanging there. You know, now, Obama can blame Bush from the White House in the White House. But, I think --
Look, seriously speaking, I think the economy does affect people's psyche. And to tell you the truth, watching this presidential race is enough to give you a bad sex life.
LEMON: Dean, as a comic, you see people in the club and you see them on dates all the time. Can you see a difference when you look the audience during a bad economy compared to a good one when it comes to relationships, people going out on dates?
OBEIDALLAH: When the economy is good, there are more people in the clubs and it is more fun for everyone to be honest. And they have more money for drinks, which makes me funnier, which is a good thing. And if you drank more during the show, Don, I would be so much funnier.
But, it has an impact in everyone's psyche in herself. The feeling is self-worth. You can't divorce back. In our society, the more money you're making, the better you feel about yourself for a lot of people, and sometimes for many, not making money, you feel bad about yourself and it spills into your personal life.
LEMON: You might be funnier too if you drunk, I'm just saying. So, and don't feel like - you don't blame me for your lack of humor. It's like blaming the Obama administration or Bush for bad sex.
OBEIDALLAH: I blame President Bush.
LEMON: From a woman's perspective, Ana, can you take Dean and I into the inner circle here? Do women care a lot about how much money a guy makes?
NAVARRO: The thought of taking Dean and you into the inner circle is slightly scary.
NAVARRO: But, I will tell you. I think, Don, the role of women and men and the relationships, it's changed through the years. I think, you know, there's women today who make a lot more money than the men and who don't care. There are women who want to be stay at home moms and stay at home and be supported and, you know, they got - that point get into a relationship with that possible to sustain a lifestyle like they want.
So yes, it's different strokes for different folks. Some women care, some men care, some women don't care, some men don't care. I think of that very broad answer.
OBEIDALLAH: Frankly, honest right. There are women who make more -- my girlfriend makes more money, and she tells me no money, no honey to me. So, you know, I have a lot of pressure to make money if I want to get honey. You know what I'm saying.
LEMON: I'm surprised by that, that you have a girlfriend.
OBEIDALLAH: Thank you, Don.
LEMON: I tweeted out about the economy and sex life and one woman tweeted me back and said, I'm not worried about the bad economy. All I need is 25 bucks to buy the "50 shades of gray" and I'm good. I'm too good to the whole sex life thing.
Hey, I missed you guys.
NAVARRO: I think she's going to need $75 because it's three books. It's a trilogy.
LEMON: OK. I miss you guys on tweet. It was a great memorial -- did you do anything fun over the Memorial Day weekend?
OBEIDALLAH: I was on the show without you. It was a lot of fun, actually. It was one of the greatest Saturdays of my life.
LEMON: Ana, did you have fun?
NAVARRO: I had a great time. We were in Napa, in California. And the only thing, I was a little shocked that foie gras is going to be illegal in California starting July 1st. And I want to know, why it is not getting as much attention as the sugary drink in New York.
LEMON: My God. You better buy a big gulp in New York. It is going to be worth a lot of money.
This is what I did, Ana, you ask me during the break what I did. Check it out. Look at that. That is a huge white marlin.
OBEIDALLAH: Wow. You caught that? You seriously caught that?
LEMON: I seriously caught that. And that was near Ana was down in the keys. Ana is in Miami. But look at that. I mean, we could barely - I can't even hold on to that. I can't believe I have a picture.
OBEIDALLAH: Is it in your office in CNN?
NAVARRO: What did you do with it?
LEMON: It was catch and release. We threw him back. We made sure he went back in the water.
NAVARRO: Important for you to say that and not get a lot of tweets from the PETA folks.
LEMON: Yes. (INAUDIBLE), until we caught it. It was gorgeous.
OBEIDALLAH: Is that a fake fish that everyone gets to take a picture with? You actually caught yourself.
LEMON: Shut up, Dean. You conspiracy peers.
All right. Thank you, guys. Good to see you again.
OBEIDALLAH: Thanks, Don.
LEMON: All right.
NAVARRO: Thank you, Don. LEMON: A former president returns to the White House and a whole lot of laughs.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You will now be able to gaze at this portrait and ask what would George do.
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LEMON: It is just like old times. George W. Bush in the White House, for good. Find out why.
And you know, we want our viewers to stay connected to CNN even on the go. Make sure you grab your mobile phone and go to CNN.com/TV. If you are on the desktop or a laptop, you can also watch CNN live.
LEMON: A whole lot happened this week. John Edwards acquitted.
But there was one thing that really got my attention and it made me smile. He's back.
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BUSH: I'm pleased that my portrait brings an interesting symmetry to the White House collection. It now starts and ends with a George W.
BUSH: I'm also pleased, Mr. President, that when you're wandering these halls as you wrestle with tough decisions, you'll now be able to gaze at this portrait and ask, what would George do?
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LEMON: So that was the official portrait, his and his wife's Laura, former first lady being unveiled. He opened up by saying I would like to thank everyone who came to my hanging today, hanging of the portrait. George W. Bush in the White House. It's almost like the old days.
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BUSH: We've got an issue in America. Too many good docs are getting out of business. Too many OBGyns aren't able to practice their love with women across this country.
(END VIDEO CLIP) LEMON: All right. Tip your bar tenders and wait staff, everybody. I thought that was longer. It was a whole lot of Bush's endeavor, really funny.
So, send me a tweet. Tell me what your favorite Bushism is.
All right. Appreciate you joining us here on the Saturday night. I'm Don Lemon.
I'll see you back here tomorrow night, 6:00, 7:00, 10:00 p.m. Eastern.
Have a great night, everyone. Good night!